Ogilvy on conversational marketing

12 09 2007

While there were many good presentations and conversations at FMCM today, for me none matched Steve Hayden, Vice Chair, Ogilvy Worldwide, who opened his keynote with a movie clip from The Hucksters, a 1947 Clark Gable movie, to illustrate what advertising used to be. It was a scene of an ad exec — who looked more like a Southern plantation owner stereotype than a slick marketing stereotype — reminding his would-be client (Gable) that successful advertising is about repetition and annoyance. Repetition and annoyance. Repetition and annoyance.

Repetition and annoyance.

Then he put up the title slide for his presentation: “Marketing in the post-apocalyptic, converged, fragmented, and blogrific world.” I may be missing a word; he flipped to the next slide quickly.

According to Hayden, while the rule of thumb is that money follows eyeballs, there’s a 19% gap in media spend and consumer behavior. Consumers have moved online, but advertisers aren’t there yet.

Next slide: “Mind the gap”

I think he then next talked about the influence of the blogosphere by showing Matthew Hurst’s diagram. (Hayden’s awesome description of the blogosphere: the blogosphere is savage, violent, and vast.)

He then showed some videos by Peter Hirshberg on Blogging, Big Media and the Shoe Shine Man. If the Shoe Shine guy gets it, shouldn’t everyone?

Okay, then he talked about some other things (Conversationalmedia.org, the iPhone price reduction debacle, word of mouth marketing, suggested that companies should start hiring Chief Listening Officers, said Sun was an example of a company doing a good job of listening to their customers…), but what interested me most was his discussion of ideas versus ideals.

All PR and ad firms have a philosophy. “Obliquity,” which Hayden defined to mean you make more when you mean more, seems to be Ogilvy’s.

ideas = share of mind
ideals = share of culture

The exercise they do is to fill in the blanks on this sentence: “NAME believes the world would be a better place if_______”

Some examples he cited are:

Apple: “if people had tools to unleash their potential”
Coke: “if we saw the glass as half full, not half empty”
J&J: “if people took care of each other”
Dove: “if women were allowed to feel good about themselves.”

And then a humorous example:
Lynx (makers of a deodorant that is marketed to 14-year-old boys): “if men could have sex, very, very easily.”

What big ideals teach us:

  1. Do unto others as if you were the others
  2. Play nice and share (the example he cited: when working with other agencies, as they often have to do these days, they get into a room with the other agencies and “tear up their business cards” because they have to put their egos and companies aside to focus on the ideal)
  3. Focus on making a difference

A big ideal can keep your long tail from falling off. A big ideal gives you the prefect entry point into the conversation.

He’s exactly right. Marketers cannot hide behind hype or “stay on message” anymore and hope that that alone will sell product. That was Huckster marketing. Today, it’s about the conversation. If the company is focused on an ideal that is bigger than themselves, their message will be amplified by consumers.

And that’s a huge shift.

Later that day, Carla Hendra, Co-CEO, Ogilvy North America, did a presentation about the Dove campaign for real beauty to illustrate this concept, and I think it hooked everyone in the room. The evolution video was just fascinating.





T-t-talking about c-c-conversational marketing

11 09 2007

FM Conversational Marketing SummitJust got home after Part I of the Conversational Marketing summit, will be there all day tomorrow. Scott Cook, founder of Intuit spoke, er, conversed, with John Battelle on Intuit’s market-winning popularity. And kudos to Battelle for acknowledging the date of the event — a date we should not forget — and the difficulty that some attendees may have had in traveling to the conference. Interesting tidbits:

  • Cook’s bad advice to Jeff Bezos: don’t include user reviews of products and books… who would be interested in reading those? As Scott said, it was a good thing Bezos didn’t take the advice
  • The three most important tasks a company should undertake:
    • Deliver a delightful customer experience
    • If you accomplish that, drive people to the web to convey their experience
    • If you do that too, then it’s possible to create other rich experiences for customers, such as Intuit’s (free) Tax Almanac.

Ask a Ninja at FM SummitAsk a Ninja closed out Day 1. That was when attendees got to ask THE ninja. Frightening stuff. I hadn’t watched Ask a Ninja in a while, but after seeing their presentation (my God, the carnage, the blood, the blood!), I went to their site to watch a few episodes. What a great success story of two guys going for it and making it.